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Toy making w/ scroll saws
Les Dilday

Question for the toy makers that use Scroll Saws, if you do. Can scroll saws be more effective than a bandsaw for the toys made by the club? If so, what brands, size, and blade types would you recommend.

Gary Lucas

The major difference between bandsaws and scroll saws is this: you can not make an inside cut on a bandsaw. So if a plan requires any cutting in the interior of the patterns you can use a scroll saw by drilling a hole and inserting the blade. You can not do this with a bandsaw. As far as blades, #3 and #5 are very poplar with reverse teeth that cuts down on the fuzzies on the cut on the backside. Something like a Flying Dutchman FD-UR3 or FD-UR5 is excellent. The Scrollers chapter of CIWW is currently taking orders for these blades.

Dan Valleskey
I think most scroll saw blades have trouble with thick stock.  I can cut curves in 3 inch stock with the band saw.  Scroll saw blades get choked up.  For stock an inch or thinner, go with a scroll saw.  Also scroll saws do leave a nicer finish.

-Dan



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Dan Valleskey
Indianapolis, IN
Mike Penna

Dan, I disagree. I have some blades that are meant for thicker stock. In fact I recently used them to finish off some toys made out of 2x4's! The way I see it, the only limitation was to the thickness of the wood I could cut (because of the natural limit on the travel distance of the upper arm). The added advantage over using a band saw, of course, is that the cut is so smooth that sanding is minimal, if even necessary! I (or Gary, I'm sure) can provide more information if you or anybody else is interested.

Paul Jacobson
Les, 

The length of most scroll saw blades is between 5” and 5.25”, so with most scroll saws the thickest piece you can cut is about 2.5”.   

The smallest scroll saw blades can fit in a very small access hole—under 1/32” — but those blades have such tiny teeth that it isn’t practical to make long cuts in  thick wood. 

Larger scroll saw blades, (size 9 up to 13) with bigger teeth and bigger gullets between the teeth to carry away the sawdust, are readily available, and can fit in access holes of 1/16” or less. These are perfectly capable of working with the 1-1/2” thick stock (donated 2x4 pieces) used for the majority of the toy designs the club uses. 

For internal cuts, such as windows in a toy car, the scroll saw is ideal. You have a clear view of the blade, cut line and pattern, as well as a blower removing sawdust from the area. Even small pieces are easily held flat on the table while being cut. 

The alternatives are 

1 ) using a handheld jig saw, and dealing with the problems of seeing the cut line in a small piece underneath the saw, and securing the wood so it can be cut. 

The usual trick is to avoid these problems is to mount the jigsaw under a table ( like mounting a router in a router table) and using it with the blade exposed.  These types of saws are sometimes called saber saws, since the blade is held at just one end, like a sword. In this way it simulates a scroll saw. 

1A) A benchtop jig saw. Same name as the handheld tool. Different tool. Also a different tool than a scroll saw, but they look very much alike and can often do the same jobs.  They may even be sold as scroll saws. They look very similar. It can be hard to tell the difference   The big difference isc that the cutting action is different, which can make the cost less. Jig saws only cut on the down (pull) stroke, and gave a weaker blade return, often spring powered. Scroll saws have the blade under a higher tension and can cut equally well in either direction, although the blades are often designed to just cut in one direction

 The blade length is similar to a scroll saw, but some of these jig saws use the longer coping saw blades, some use pin end blades, and some use scroll saw pinless blades natively, or with an adapter.  

2 ) using a bandsaw, making the part in pieces and gluing those together.

 3) using a hand powered coping saw or a larger ‘turning saw’. The coping saw is undoubtedly the least expensive way to go. Cheap ones are $10 or less.   I’ve built one from scrap wood for pennies. The most expensive one I’ve seen pictured, made of titanium, is about $300, which is expensive, but still,  half the price of a new Dewalt scroll saw.

The turning saw is not commonly sold in the US, Thomas Flynn makes them in England, but kits are available to build your own. Gramercy calls theirs a bow saw kit. 
  It uses a blade 12” long about the size of a coping saw blade, or it might use a section of 1/8” to 1/4’ bandsaw blade material. In the same category are the elaborate hand saws for cutting veneer for marquetry. They can cut thicker materials, too. They are very expensive. 

4 ) using a router, and making multiple passes to get a deep cut. Usually you have the added time of making a fixture to hold the wood in place, and making a template to guide the router cut.  By the way, a scroll saw is ideal for making such router templates. or 

5 ) A CNC controlled cutter will work in the same manner as a router, but the bed works really well for holding the wood, and your design program replaces a physical template or guide. 

 A laser is not practical for cutting 1-1/2” thick stock at this time. The power required is still too expensive for most shops to afford. Cost, again, limits the use of a waterjet cutter. 

If you have any questions about scroll saws, or want to try out one , or several, Gary Lucas has models from 4 different brands at his shop. The scroller group meets there monthly, and you can contact Gary about dropping by to use these at some more convenient time, as well.

But before you rush out to buy a scroll saw. 
Gary has been considering opening his shop to CIWW members on a more frequent basis. I spoke last night with CIWW President Bill McCartney  about getting an official endorsement of this as a  CIWW program, and we expect it will be discussed ( and hopefully approved) at the July board meeting.  If so, you ( and other CIWW members) will be able to use a scroll saw at a convenient time, without needing to buy one.  There is already one at the McNeely shop, as well. 

Hope this helps

Paul Jacobson

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Les Dilday

Thank you for all the replies

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